is cancer-free. and on his way to his honeymoon in jamaica. [cheers] >> bret: that's pretty cool. haley louvelle asked if she could slip a note. he was diagnosed stage 4 cancer 0206789 after battling the cancer for years. they were finally able to go on long awaited honeymoon to jamaica. very cool. congratulations. retired general jack keane on the u.s. military effort really around the world. some hot spots. please check out sean hannity's interview with former president donald trump tonight 9:00 p.m. eastern. don't want to miss that thanks for inviting us into your home tonight. that's it for this "special report," fair, balanced and still unafraid. "the ingraham angle" starts now. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> laura: good evening, everyone. i'm laura ingraham.

and this is "the ingraham angle" from parts unknown. all right. i have been doing a lot of thinking today. january 6th, i think, should be celebrated by deep sea fishermen across the united states because we now know that the capitol riot was the pretext for the government to launch a giant fisher expedition against conservative trump supporters. according to documents obtained by congressional investigators after january 6th, the feds coordinated with banks to track purchases of customers by using key words related to our 45th president. now, just as we predicted back in early 2021, the liberal permanent bureaucracy used the events of january 6th to go far beyond run-of-the-mill prosecutions for trespassing or vandalism or assaulted. their goal was a lot more ambitious. it was to intimidate, to smear, to hound, and surveil trump supporters, even if they weren't

on site. and even if they hadn't committed any acts of violence. now, remember, the only person killed that day was the j 6 protester ashley back bit. andbabbitt.authorities tried toe identity of the one who shot her for as long as they could. prosecutors still working overtime to stop the release of all 44,000 hours of the video recordings from that day. but, long after the capitol was cleared, the treasury departmentens financial crimes enforcement network, known as fincen went to work and fincen outlined tie pollings of person in interest. persons to financial institutions feds suggested

terms like trump and maga to comb through zelle payment messages. okay. i was reading. this this is sick. but it's hardly surprising we already knew bank of america so appropriately, not appropriately named without any government prompting had snooped into customers' transactions at its branches in the d.c. area to supposedly assist the january 6th investigation this led to some conservatives to call for a bank of america boycott. fincen's actions here were clearly motivated by politics. i mean, i must have missed this but did they subject blm rioters to the same treatment? antifa? because they were all responsible for far more damage, a billion dollars worth of damage in the summer of 2020 and by the way 25 people were killed in those riots. can you imagine if we learned that the government put pressure

on banks to use search words like black lives matter or cop killer for account surveillance? people would go nuts. joining me now is missouri senator josh hawley. senator, i saw this and it's so bad in washington now that all my reaction is of course they did. doesn't surprise me one bit. >> well, it truly though is totally unbelievable, laura. it just shows you. if you are now searching for people, conducting financial surveillance on people who shopped at bass pro shops, which was one of the search terms, and who buy bibles, which is another search term, that's like three quarters of america. i mean, it makes you wonder why is the biden administration so afraid of americans that this is what they are doing. spring ospying on all of our ac. these guys act like they own us. they take our money. they expect us to bail them out at every turn, and then they don't miss an opportunity to sell us out to the government

and get right back in line for another handout. my conclusion is these people, the government, the banks, they need to start working for us again. we don't work for them. they work for us. it's time that they started acting like it. >> laura: well, people have a lot of choices in banking. they can go to smaller community banks. they can go to the bigger banks. people can choose. and if they find this stuff to be objectionable, which i'm sure a lot of people do, they can go elsewhere. bank of america did give us a statement tonight, senator. and they said we followed all applicable laws in our interactions with the trump administration's treasury department and law enforcement. these interactions began when the trump administration's treasury department urgently gathered major banks and law enforcement on january 15th, 2021, and shared information regarding potential criminal activity that could disrupt the upcoming inauguration. so, senator, they are pegging it on this is just sensible and, look, technically, donald trump was still president. so, you know, technically, this

was his treasury department. we know these are swamp bureaucrats burrowed in. these aren't political appointees at these places. >> oh, sure. and the banks just have the best interest of their customers at heart and that's why they rushed to turn over all of this personal financial data. that's why they rushed to quote, unquote, cooperate by spying on their own customers. this is outrageous behavior, laura. everybody knows it. these banks, again, they are first in line to get a handout when it's bailout time. they are first in line to say that we need to pay them so they can keep operating. but, boy, when it comes time to turn a profit. when it comes time to stay tight with big government, they are happy to sell us out in a heart beat. i just hope that everybody out there realizes that these big banks, the big bank, big government collusion continues. these people are not our friends. >> laura: well, this has been going on for years and years. that's why the bank bank bailoun

2008 were a disaster. tarp 1, and tarp 2 and everyone voting for it. senator, i have to ask you about this border deal which is in the works. we have good reason to believe the bill is largely already written, although like oh, we haven't negotiated all the points yet. it's ridiculous. i know how these things work. what is your message to senate leadership given the fact that we're going to have an election in, you know, several months and president trump, if he is elected, you know, in 24 hours we will have this border largely secure? >> my message is that it would be an incredible insult to voters all across america to tell them that they have got to accept 50,000 more green cards every year. they have got to accept 5,000 illegal immigrants crossing the border every single day before the border can be shut down. they have got to accept expedited work permits for illegal aliens. these are all things that are supposedly in this deal which, by the way, i haven't seen. nobody has seen. we are told it's a great deal. >> laura: they want to hide it as long as possible. >> it's horrible.

>> of course they do. they want don't want any scrutiny. >> laura: yeah. friday night dump. that's my prediction. senator, thank you. great to see you tonight. all right, we have a fake news alert for you don't. a new report from the hill reads that biden may get some help from republicans against trump. now, look, there is no doubt that some senate joners like mitch mcconnell would rather work with biden and schumer than trump, and that the anti-trump republicans they cite at the same time have zero influence and even less of a constituency in this piece. these people include former lawmakers like liz cheney and adam kinzinger and former trump administration alums alyssa farah griffin, anthony scaramucci and former trump press aid sarah matthews. if you don't know who she is, frankly, neither do i. don't listen to the grifters trying to cash in by smashing trump.

here's the truth. the party hasn't been this united in a long time, maybe since reagan. maybe after 9/11. and we have just one message. lookout, swamp. joining us now former trump senior adviser and founder of america first legal stephen miller. stephen, republicans uniting behind trump. that made me howl laughing tonight. >> you have, of course, laura, thee professional rinos. these are the people who make a living, going on cnn, going on abc, going on "the view," nbc, pretending to be republicans in support of biden when, of course, they are democrats. they have always been democrats. they have always been leftists and is a very easy way to make a buck in washington, new york, or los angeles. as you said, the republican party has never been more united than it is at this moment, particularly united behind president trump's promise to do three fundamental things, to seal the border shut, to get our economy back thriving and

booming, and to have trade policies and foreign policies to put american workers first. those three things are uniting republican voters and frankly uniting americans. that's why biden's polling has never been worse, which is exactly why you saw this ludicrous story. >> laura: now msnbc's joy reid is coming for the trump voters though. watch. >> people don't want to come at the voter. but these voters are actively saying yes, we want to a dictatorship. yes we want him to be dictator. yes, we like a to come crazy. it's not economic zivment it's wracial anxiety. it's demographic panic. >> stephen. >> instance inherently racist, xenophobia to believe your country should have any say over who enters your country and what number and what amount over what time frame. it is the right of every country

to be able to have control over your border, to have firm limits on immigration and to enforce those limits uniformly and so this is whasks they always do. it's not working. and we know it's not working because polling shows that joe biden's absolute weakest issue is immigration that means that black americans, hispanic americans, asian americans and white americans all think his immigration policy is heinous, rubbish, egregious, and belongs in a giant trash heap which is where i predict it will go in november new poll came out tonight shows trump is leading biden with independent voters by 1 # points. up in the general poll by 4 points. if this is even close to accurate, this is a astounding.

>> it is crazy. this is why they are lawfare to win this election. they are pinning august of their hopes on biden's doj and biden's democratic party to try to use incarceration to change the outcome of the election. it is the ultimate election interference. so, when you talk about autocracy. when you talk about dictatorship, when you talk about survival of democracy, what we are witnessing right now by the democratic party is a war on democracy and imposition of authoritarianism through radical left lawfare. >> laura: the poll is unbelievable. people are angry when you say oh, maybe it's time to think about uniting. but these polls are -- i mean, we will see if they're accurate. but that got my attention 11 points. stephen, thank you. >> the american people are done. >> laura: up next, one of the most powerful men in the world and the financial world for sure, just gave a reality check to the elites at the worlds

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♪ >> laura: dimon cuts. that's the focus of tonight's angle. >> laura: the snow and ice at

davos hasn't completely frozen out all common sense. j.p. morgan's chief jamie dimon is slowly thawing to the idea that business should not be taking sides against hard-working americans. >> i think we should stop insulting other side including maga. a lot of people voting for president trump not because they believe in his family values but they look at some of the things he did. >> laura: he grew the economy. he was right about nato. they spend more money. he was right about -- all of that. he was right that these regulations don't cause positive output. now dimon is a typical wall streeter. is he a liberal on social issues but is he moderate on fiscal issues. but is he no dummy. he sees what we have been warning about for so many years democrats join to the hard left, they were eventually going to lose influence and credibility and lord knows, if you want to avoid what happened at disney after its fight with conservatives, you shouldn't

want to throw into the likes of these people. >> i have thought an awful lot about blowing up the white house. >> of course i want to punch him in the face. >> right. [cheers] >> he's an [bleep] hole. he's so dangerous. >> laura: because trump speaks to the middle class, right? the working class? they consider him, well, to be an enemy. and the working class considers attacks on trump really to be attacks on them and their way of life. >> i think the democrats should be a little more thoughtful when they talk about maga and say why, not -- and then don't act like every attribute of trump is an attribute of them. it's just not true. >> laura: correct. and likewise, it's a mistake for all the business leaders to weigh in on the side of the far left on social and racial issues as well. now, nothing was more embarrassing than when ceo after ceo came out to pronounce on

george floyd's death as if he were martin luther king jr. >> companies like ours must speak up as allies to the black lives matter movement. >> we were on record back in 2016 in supporting black lives matter. >> business leaders cannot remain silent on important issues whether it's racial equity, gender equity. >> now, the country is not many say it is. and instituting dei policies that discriminate against non-minorities, that is systemically racist. and that's what they do. but the backlash is building against the hyper politicization of business and it's not going to end well for corporate titans who thought trans pins and pledges were going to save them. the left is never satisfied. if you give them an inch, they will take a mile and a pound of flesh. and eventually, you are going to get run over completely they

accused trump of being a dictator but they're the stalinist, they require complete loyalty or else. just ask elon musk. now, the left once adored him. now he is one of their top enemies. just because he is actually in favor of free speech. think about that. if top execs think their cooperation with the left helps create a cool factor, they should think about that again. world economic attendees paid tens of thousands of dollars hoping to hobnob with bono and zelenskyy, but, instead, they heard what passes as an enlightened presentation. [blowing] [blowing]

>> laura: but, seriously, the business community has enough trouble on its hands without getting dragged down further by the kneelists on the left. walter ruffle immediate writing in the "wall street journal" perfectly captured how the global elites humiliated themselves creating a mess of things and insulting the working class. writing that the real scandal of davos isn't taking over the world, it's that it's failing. why would voters expect an expert class that was so wrong for so long about russia, china, iran, and covid to know how to cope with the challenges difficult and multifaceted as the energy transition. and this is my favorite part. the emperor has no clothes. that he was the cry of populists everywhere. to render this message ineffective, davos man doesn't need image consultants and disinformation specialists. he needs to get dressed. >> now, i have been giving a lot of unsolicited advice this week

that's gotten me in trouble and offended some people? why am i going to stop now? so my strong suggestion to the business community is that your foolish alliance with the hard left has got to end. start trying to appeal more to just regular people. regular americans and in return, populist conservative leaders are going to give you sound tax and regulatory policies, sensible judges on the courts, and also protect you from the crazies on the far left. heard president trump who says is he going to work with democrats, not against them. and he wants to clean up the cities by cracking down on crime and stopping the influx of migrants that none of us can absorb. so someone like jamie dimon and his firm, j.p. morgan and frankly most american ceos would benefit enormously from these policies. and he is smart enough to know that more prosperity and freedom creates more innovation and exchange for all of this, these

business big wigs have to give the regular people something. they have to be flexible on some issues. you have to be flexible on decoupling from china, on fighting maybe fewer wars, stronger border enforcement, ending dei and other woke policies that descrim state on the basis of race and conflict with parental rights. the evidence is overwhelming. that the alliance between the business community and the left has been a really really bad fit. all it's done is fuel pointless controversies and offend patriotic-hardworking americans. so the davos divas need to wake up enough to realize that their relationship with the far left is toxic, time to break it off. and it's time to get back to business. and that's the angle. >> laura: joining me now is robert e unanue. business' love affair with the

left slowly, perhaps, coming to an end? >> hi, laura, happy new year. i think it's amazing how people are waking up. even michael moore is singing president trump's praise? we spoke at the white house at one point. and you told me that i sparked the cancel culture because i had said the word blest. the word blest came on my list from the holy spirit when talking about president trump. but it's basically a war -- we have ignited a war. a spiritual war good vs. evil. you know, you have somebody like trump, in my opinion, has been predestined not only to bring us back to prosperity but to bring us closer to god. you know, he is someone who is a builder. we need to love, build, and unite. what we are doing is dividing, hating, and destroying. we're dividing, even the pope, you know, this thing he has also declared on davos that, you know, about this globalization, he is vilified trump, he has

praised biden, who went to the white house. he has called him a good catholic. and, you know, what he is doing is dividing. and, you know, he is also defrocked his detract torres like strickland, like burke, like father frank. >> laura: i love, robert, i love how we have gone from the davos divas and, you know, smashing their relationship with the far left to hitting the pope. i mean, this is a segment you are not going to get on tv anywhere else play from the new president of argentina to went to davos to confront the world economic forum to their faces. watch. >> i'm here to tell you that the western world is in danger. and it is in danger because those who are supposed to defend the values of the west are co-opted by a vision of the

world that actually leads to socialism and thereby to poverty. >> laura: socialism, robert, godlessness, poverty, an end of prosperity and freedom. he went after collect schism, of course, which takes the form of the secular humanism that you are seeing breaking out all over as well. >> it's a war against the people. it's a war against the family. it's war against life. more concerned about the planet. they just had a sit-n the catholic church the two top items were the planet and gender. we are not valuing life. we are declaring this war on -- you know, we -- that's the most important thing that we need to do is to value life and to love each other. and this is just dividing. this is what the communists live on. they live on conflict, on hatred, on division. you see it's good to see someone like mealy who said that we're attacking the -- with abortion,

we are attacking the life vs. saving this planet. we want to save the planet, we want to protect life. we want at all levels. you know, there is thousands of children coming across this border, it's all about the money. it's the biggest industry in the world is child trafficking. we're more concerned. >> laura: they don't care about the children. yeah. they don't care. they don't care about the children. never have. they are collateral damage in all of this. robert, it's great to see you as always. now, remember the fear about hospitals being overrun during covid? well, now they are -- they are being overrun. but, there's another cause. we'll tell you about it, and this is coming out of denver. it is huge story, next. ♪ nice to meet ya. my name is david. i've been a pharmacist for 44 years. when i have customers come in and ask for something for memory, i recommend prevagen. number one, because it's safe and effective. does not require a prescription. and i've been taking it quite a while myself

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>> this is about the overall health of america. by the way, they talk about how much immigrants are costing america? give me a break. every single solitary dreamer is going to be entitled to every educational benefit, including free community college, access to healthcare. >> laura: well, you can't say he didn't keep that promise. in biden's america, immigrants are quite literally receiving healthcare for free. well, at least it's free to them. denver's main public hospital is on the verge of collapse tonight because they have seen 8,000 migrants from central america making about 20,000 visits. the hospital arguably had to take on that cost and last year denver health saw 135 million in total uncompensated care. dr. steve frederick co-denver's health chief government and community affairs officer joins

me now. dr. frederick co, i have so many friends in the healthcare industry. doctors and nurses from boston to perry, and they are telling me similar stories, what do you need most right now? yeah, thank you, laura, thanks for having us and talking about this important issue. we absolutely need additional public support to help provide healthcare to our safety net hospital such as denver health. just to be clear $12,335,000,000 of uncompensated care was something that denver health was experiencing before the population recently arrived to denver. the ability to provide and expand care to them has been greatly limited by our financial status prior to the arrival of migrants. we are needing to respond to this huge humanitarian crisis in our emergency rooms and our clinics. we are looking for policy makers to step up and fund appropriately the healthcare providers that are providing

this care. >> laura: well, or and you are not a politician so i'm not going to go through this with you. or shut down the border we have people in the street, americans who don't have healthcare. bee reached out to colorado governor polus for a statement and his office said it should be no surprise without real border security and fixing our immigration system p hospitals across the country treat migrants not ensured. reiterate the call for congress to urgently act and secure the border. so he is a democrat. he is a liberal democrat and says the border has to be secured. do you agree with him given what your hospital with its prior compromised financial condition is now dealing with. >> i will tell you as a pediatrician i will tell you what my colleagues see every day. they see human beings coming in asking for healthcare i'm proud to say that our hospital and our healthcare team continue to step

up help these human beings in time of need. we will need additional financial support 'in order to do it the right way. my healthcare partners and colleagues are experiencing a lot of moral strife staying up at night after they care for these patients. wondering if they will get the needed medications that have been prescribed or follow-up care they need in subsequent days or weeks. we need a better system to help these people get on their feet and to be safe and healthy. >> what are the main issues that people coming in? i mean, if there with one or two things? i keep hearing like a lot of primary care visits like backache or things that you would not normally go to the emergency room for. >> no. we are certainly seeing the standard respiratory winter illnesses, influenza and pneumonia. typical g.i. pediatric a lot of dental pain. but we are also seeing a lot of mental health, you know, these folks have gone through arduous journey to get here.

they have experienced a lot of trauma and so they need comprehensive care from day one. >> laura: well, maybe they need to try to get that in their own country. we are full up on problems in the united states. you are doing yeomen's work dr. federico, thank you. >> i thought the meeting went well. >> border agreement where is the disagreements. >> i don't think we have any sticking points. >> laura: oh, another reason there must be no deal. the immigration issue is a huge drag on democrats. finally got their attention. take what just happened in the house, a rare bipartisan legislative rebuke of biden for his disastrous open border policies. 14 democrats and every single republican in the house voted to denounce the nightmare that biden's team created for america. now, the immigration issue is a top of the top voters concerns now going into this election

cycle. biden gets 18% approval on the issue. who gives him the 18% in the cartels? that's a big reason why senate republicans, i think, are so desperate to save biden. hospitals, they are afraid that the issue could cost biden this election year. i think at some point we just have to assume that mcconnell's top priority, other than maybe funding the war in ukraine is getting biden reelected. any notion that a border deal passed now is going to be better than anything trump can do is ludicrous. what needs to be done to enforce the border can be accomplished now through executive action. as president trump said on truth social, this is all easy to do and he will do it right away if he is elected and, of course, he is right. now, there is a lot of rumors swirling around about president trump's vp pick.

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♪ >> if you are the nominee, which i know you expect to be, who would be in the running for vice president. >> well, i can't tell you that, really. i mean, i know who it's going to be. >> give us a hint. >> we will do another show

sometime. >> what about any of the people who you have run against, would you be open to mending fences. >> oh sure, i will. i already started to like christie better. [laughter] >> laura: trump says he has already picked his vp who could be it? what are some of the pros and cons of some of the top contenders, if nikki haley finishes a strong second in new hampshire, i think there will be a huge push from the donor class for the business types for trump to pick her, but don jr. threw cold water on that again today sayinsaying that he would do whr it took to make sure it was not nikki haley. but what about sarah huckabee sanders, well, the pros for her are that she and the president have a fantastic working relationship. she is super smart and super tough. how to deal with the vipers in the press corps and a lot of political experience? what are the cons? she just start her second year as governor of arkansas. though she comes from a

political family in arkansas. that's where experience comes. in and trump's second con maybe trump does not need her to win arkansas, of course. then there is tulsi gabbard, now, that's kind of an interesting choice. the pros for tulsi gabbard, well ideologically in sync on important issues, no doubt. she is a former democrat, member of congress, and serves in the army reserve. the cons? perhaps a little low name recognition and she is from hawaii, which doesn't get trump that much more on this mollie hemingway and monica crowley. now, monica, one name that has been bandied about is elise stefanik, the congresswoman from new york and she is known now for taking on the renowned harvard president. >> so, the answer is yes, that calling for the genocide of jews violates harvard code of conduct, correct? >> it depends on the context. >> it does not depend on the

context. the answer is yes. and this is why you should resign. >> laura: monica, she was claudine gay slayer. could she be a biden slayer. >> what is so interesting the vp stakes are are up and running. talking in the context they're all very accomplished leaders. but the pros for elise staffan nic are she is loyal for the cause, not just to president trump but to america first no more never trumpers or obama holdovers or deep staters a second trump administration from within. she is also a really tough fighter as evidenced in that questioning of the ivy league president and scouts there. two out of the three ivy league presidents have resigned. i think, perhaps, most importantly, laura, for elise stefanik as a new mom, she can speak to and perhaps help deliver one of president trump's

most problematic groups which is suburban women. she is also a really effective proven leader on capitol hill that would be most help envelope getting legislation passed and over the finish line. what comes with elise stefanik her age she is only 39. she is young and might not inspire a lot of confidence in her ability to do the top job if necessary. and, also she won't be able to deliver her home state of new york. i know president trump wants to put it in play and nothing is impossible with trump and politics but that is a very steep climb in new york state. >> all right. well, interesting thought there and lindsey graham shared his thought on nikki haley as a potential vp. he told politico that the same people who don't like her don't like me. calling haley opponents isolationists and maga world. mollie, where have we heard that before, the isolationism,

xenophobic, all the same stuff. what advantages and disadvantages does haley have as a vp pick? >> well, first talk about why people are talking about ler in a favorable way. which is she has had already some experience reaching out to moderate voters. a lot of her support in iowa came from not just moderates but in some cases democrats crossing over to vote for her. that's also her strategy in new hampshire. she does appeal to moderates. she also appeals to a group of voters that have buttigieg a problem for republicans. suburban women. they seem to like her. and that might help with getting her that vote, too. she is also politically savvy. run effective campaign. not worked to antagonize people unnecessarily that can be a very good trait for a trump vice president. the cons are very serious though. why you are hearing so many people worried why she might be the nominee. first and foremost she accepts this liberal interventionism in

foreign policy. the type that a lot of republicans have moved away from and no longer tolerating. she also seems too frequently to be swayed by left wing narratives. she is easily bullied by the media into adopting leftist talking points. and then finally she doesn't have the most impressive record as governor in terms of conservative governance. >> some of those old clips have come back to bite her. monica, and quickly here you have byron donalds as a possible pick as well. real quick on that? >> yeah. i think he would be outstanding. he is another true fighter for america first principles and you know, he could really appeal to younger voters and to minority communities as well. go right into minority communities make the america first argument to them. i think the downside to byron donalds is he comes from the same state as donald trump, florida, although geographical balance on the ticket may not matter much anymore. so, we shall see.

but i think he would be an outstanding choice. >> all right. and mollie has my favorite pick, which we don't have time to get into, which is brian kemp of georgia. now, that would surprise me but thatson an interesting pick. we will have to have you back on that. that's my favorite of the day. mollie, monica, thank you. all right, the so-called body positivity movement is now feeling threatened as more americans are turning to weight loss drugs to slim down. a body acceptance coach is here to react. next. ♪

speak of the body needs the same thing we need. love. love. >> it's a privilege to be able-bodied enough to exercise. it's a privilege to be able to fit into gym machines. >> what do people not comprehend? i do not want to lose weight. >> you chose super fat as a fourth category to represent and include the very fattest in our

community. >> super! >> fat! >> super! >> fat! >> laura: the body positivity movement glamorizing obesity, some say, is feeling threatened, as americans are moving away from embracing the fat to embracing losing it with popular weight-loss drugs. body acceptance coach christina bruce joins me now. christina, it's great to have you on. every year in the u.s. -- and i know you know this -- obesity is cited as the leading cause of death for nearly 400,000 americans. so the cdc says people who have obesity compared to people with a healthy weight are at increased risk of many serious diseases. health conditions, obviously diabetes, strokes, heart attacks, et cetera. so why should this be something we are embracing and not discouraging? >> i think what's really

interesting about the research around that is it shows that there is a correlation between increased body size and these health conditions. but what it doesn't show is causation. if we actually just focus on improving health behaviors and not actually worry about body size, you are going to be able to see an increased improvement in some health without all the additional stress and worry and self shame and loathing that comes along with trying to be on a diet and losing weight all the time, and actually just focusing on what is it that make somebody feel good and healthy in their bodies, which i really think is what most people want. >> laura: i don't really understand that. i have to confess, i'm trying to follow that. but i get the shaming thing. i don't like that. i think you are right. people are trying their best. i don't have any problem with that. and some people really struggle with all sorts of compulsions,

or to eat, to gamble, to do whatever. but it is a proven fact that, if you are 100 pounds overweight, your joints are under enormous stress per square inch. everything in your body is under enormous stress. you would not dispute that, correct? >> what i would say is that, if somebody has a lot of weight on their body, it could for sure impact their joints and stress, but that can also happen. people have joint problems, too, if they are thin. so focus on what is actually going to improve people's joints. if you can imagine, if you have a pin on your skin and you press into that, it's going to cause a lot of problems and it's going to hurt. but if you just remove the pin, that it's not going to be a problem. so if you actually focus on what are the exercises, what are the things you can do to help improve joints, improve everything around the structure of the body that you would prescribe to somebody who is

having the same issues in a thin body, you're going to see an improvement and you don't actually have to focus particularly on the body size. so this isn't about not focusing on your health and not caring about your health. >> laura: i get that. are you someone who is in favor of all the drugs? we don't have to name them. the two major drugs that are being taken to lose weight. are you against those, for those? real quick. >> i understand why people do it, but i would say this. if somebody lived on a deserted island and they never saw another human person, would they feel the need to take ozempic? because what i find with the clients i work with, the thing they fear the most is the judgment and criticism from other people. >> laura: i get that, but if they are on a deserted island, they're probably not eating a lot of processed food and a lot of junk food, either. so they're probably not going to worry about any of that. great to see you. jesse's next. >> jesse: welcome to "jesse w p